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Old and New Catholics in Stuart Wales: The Carne Family of Glamorgan
Published online by Cambridge University Press: 11 October 2016
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When James II began looking in Wales for Catholics who could be appointed to the Bench and lieutenancy, he found very few potential supporters in most Welsh counties. What Catholics there were tended to be minor figures, or outsiders who happened to hold Welsh lands. Monmouthshire had a strong contingent of recusants; but the greatest surprise came in Glamorgan, where there came forward a series of apparently recent converts from the Carne and Stradling families. Three Carne brothers served as enthusiastic Catholic Justices, all the more valuable because they held their position by their own prestige and ancestry in addition to political orthodoxy. In 1688, they were virtually the only family in south Wales to attempt serious (indeed, threatening) resistance to the Protestant coup.
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1 Works used generally throughout this include—G. Williams, ed., Glamorgan County History, Cardiff: Glamorgan County History Trust, 1974, vol. 4; hereafter referred to as ‘GCH’; Jenkins, P., The Making of a Ruling Class: The Glamorgan Gentry 1640–1790, Cambridge University Press, 1983 CrossRefGoogle Scholar. There is a sizeable collection of Carne papers in the Glamorgan Record Office at Cardiff, under the codes D/DC (Carne at Nash) and D/DE (Carne of Ewenni). The Carnes and later Nicholl-Carnes remained at Nash until 1951.
2 Phillips, J. R. S., The Justices of the Peace in Wales and Monmouthshire 1542–1689, Cardiff: University of Wales, 1972 Google Scholar; Charles Dalton, English Army Lists and Commission Registers 1661–1714, six volumes in three, London, 1960; G. F. Duckett, The Penal Laws and Test Act, two volumes, London, 1882–3; Dodd, A. M., Studies in Stuart Wales, Cardiff: University of Wales, 1971.Google Scholar
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5 GCH.
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11 From many incidental references to the Carnes as friends of the leading gentry, see for example National Library of Wales, Penrice and Margam MSS L176, L181–2, L316–7; and many others into the 1720s.
12 Glamorgan Record Office, D/DC. 730–2.
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19 NLW Penrice and Margam, L256/L304. Compare the equally slender list of Papists’ estates about 1720 in Bodleian MS Rawl. D 387–8.
20 St Peter’s Magazine, II, 1922; ibid, III. 1923, p. 196.
21 Cardiff Central Library, Diary of William Thomas, 31 March 1765.
22 Foley: By the 1740s, an obscure Pyle man was the last known host for the two priests who occasionally visited the county, John Hill and John Scudamore.
23 The author would like to thank Mr. Andrew Breeze for his generous assistance with this article.