The National Service Frameworks for Older People and for Mental Health are setting standards for services in areas where problems are complex and solutions limited. Primary Care Trusts seeking to raise the quality of primary care for older people and commission specialist services rationally face many challenges. Specialists in old age medicine and old age psychiatry will find themselves working closely with primary care practitioners to develop services and extend professional skills, for it is uncertain that specialist services will be able to deal with the scale of the clinical and social problems unaided.