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15 - Christian religion and the European civilizing process: the views of Norbert Elias and Max Weber compared in the context of the Augustinian and Lucretian traditions

Published online by Cambridge University Press:  22 September 2009

Johan Goudsblom
Affiliation:
Professor Emeritus of Sociology University of Amsterdam
Steven Loyal
Affiliation:
University College Dublin
Stephen Quilley
Affiliation:
University College Dublin
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Introduction

Religion does not play a prominent role in Norbert Elias's by now classical study The Civilizing Process. This raises a question. Did Elias, as a critic once asserted, ‘overlook religion’? Or, more precisely, did he underestimate the influence of Christianity in the civilizing process in Western Europe?

Undoubtedly the absence of a systematic discussion of the role of religion in The Civilizing Process reflects a deliberate decision. One likely reason for this decision was Elias's relation to the work of Max Weber. It has been said that underlying a great deal of Max Weber's work is a running discussion with ‘the ghost of Karl Marx’. A similar observation can be made about Elias; many of his writings can be read as a continuing discussion with Max Weber, sometimes explicit, more often tacit, even when Weber is not mentioned by name. Thus Elias took issue with Weber's conception of sociology as starting from ‘subjective action’; with his treatment of the notion of charisma; and with his emphasis on capitalism, Protestantism and (by implication) the bourgeois and the ecclesiastical lines in the European civilizing process.

In this chapter I shall focus on the latter issue, and I shall extend the argument beyond Weber.

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Print publication year: 2004

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